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	<title>Mike Walsh&#039;s LEGO® Blog &#187; ILTCO</title>
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		<title>New Trains for 2010 but limitations persist</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Walsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[New Trains!
When I first saw some links to the 2010 trains I was excited.  These would be the first trains to be based on the Power Functions and in my opinion, the first train sets to come from LEGO since the decision to drop the 9v line.  One could argue that there were two RC [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>New Trains!</h3>
<p>When I first saw some links to the 2010 trains I was excited.  These would be the first trains to be based on the Power Functions and in my opinion, the first train sets to come from LEGO since the decision to drop the 9v line.  One could argue that there were two RC sets and the Factory exclusive the Emerald Night but in my opinion, the 2010 sets are really the first sets in the Power Function era.</p>
<p>I had my hopes up as I clicked on the links and began the browse the images.  Would there finally be some new add on rolling stock (aka individual train cars)?  Sadly there were not.  I was disappointed.  Based on <a href="http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=36203&amp;st=15">this Eurobricks thread</a>, it appears the belief that individual train cars will not sell is still strong within LEGO.  I still find this puzzling – but more on this later.</p>
<h3>An e-mail from my Dad</h3>
<p>A week or two later I got an e-mail from my Dad.  He has a number of LEGO trains and sets one up around his Christmas tree every year.  He was thinking of buying an Emerald Night but was holding off because he wanted more than one passenger car for it.  He asked me why LEGO didn’t sell the passenger car separately.  I shared with him some of the things I have learned over the years and he was surprised there isn’t a market for add on cars.  I don’t know if  he ended up buying the Emerald Night or not, the last we spoke about it he was on the fence.</p>
<p>It was when my Dad sent me an e-mail about add on cars that I started thinking.  The limitations with the new train system are basically the same as those which led to the demise of the 9v system.  Why will the results (aka sales) be any different this time?  Granted the new trains are a bit cheaper to produce because the track elements don’t have metal rails, but other than that, there really isn’t much difference.</p>
<h3>Signal</h3>
<p>Before the Hobby Train there was Signal.  Signal was the name of the group that I was invited to participate in and provide feedback to LEGO regarding the Train theme.  In 2004 I was very active in the Train Community and was heavily involved in the <a href="http://www.iltco.org">ILTCO</a> effort with Steve Barile.  Steve, Huw Millington, Holger Mathes, and myself were invited to participate in Signal.  We all readily accepted – it was very exciting to have a voice into LEGO and possibly influence where the train line was headed.</p>
<p>In hindsight I think were invited too late as some of the things we were being asked to comment on had already been decided (e.g. battery power).  The Signal team did have some influence though as it was from this team that the Hobby Train project emerged (originally it was called the UTB set where UTB stood for Ultimate Train Builders).</p>
<p>It was shortly after a conference call with the Train design team that I found myself flying back from Europe (where I had been for work) with a  homework assignment for Signal.  I can’t remember exactly what the assignment was but I do recall that I was annoyed and felt that LEGO wasn’t really listening to the feedback we were providing.  I am not sure if it was language (we held all our discussions in English) or their minds were made up or they were simply giving us lip service because they were told told to interface with the feedback group, but I decided to put all of my thoughts on paper instead of in e-mail or over the phone.</p>
<p>Over the course of that 8 hour flight home, what started out as a memo, turned into a white paper on my thoughts on just about aspect of LEGO trains.  I didn’t intend to write a document 10 pages long but that is what I ended up with.  Once I was back home, I distributed the document to the people in the Signal group and never really heard much about it again.</p>
<p>At some when I was working on the Hobby Train I asked the LEGO team leader if he’d ever seen the paper.  It turns out he hadn’t so I sent it to him as well but again, nothing ever came of it – there certainly wasn’t ever any follow up with me anyway.</p>
<p>The only formal response I ever got back from LEGO on my paper was a request not to post it on the web.  <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Although I was not bound by an NDA (I was later on when working on the Hobby Train),</span> <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">(<em>Edit:  2010-01-22:  I may have my dates wrong as I have found another document that pre-dates my white paper.</em>)</span>  <em>(Edit:  2010-01-22:  Looks like I am ok, the NDA had a five year duration which ended at the end of last October.)</em>  I honored LEGO’s request and have sat on this document for more than five years.</p>
<h3>Time to post the white paper?</h3>
<p>The subject of the white paper has come up a couple times, usually when discussing the Hobby Train project at <a href="http://www.nclug.us">NCLUG</a> meetings.  But it was the combination of reading the Eurobricks thread and the e-mail from my Dad that really got me thinking about it again.</p>
<p>I dug through my computer and found the document and read it again.  Although some of the content is dated, there are a number of ideas which I believe are as accurate today as they were five years ago when I originally wrote it.  In particular, my thoughts on how LEGO trains are packaged and marketed has not changed.  If you can find a train on the shelf of a store (the Toys-R-Us near me had them this past Christmas) there is no obvious expansion of the train system articulated anywhere on the box.  I think is a huge mistake.  For the uneducated consumer, LEGO is asking for people to spend $150 (or more) to a LEGO set for which there is no obvious expansion.</p>
<p>I’ve long wanted to post the document I wrote but as I noted, I have complied with LEGO’s request not to do so.  A few weeks ago I sent Steve Witt (LEGO’s Community Manager) an e-mail letting him know that I wanted to post the document and if LEGO still did not want me to, to please contact me and let me know.  Since I haven’t heard anything from anyone at LEGO I have decided to go ahead and post the document.</p>
<p>So if you have made it this far and are interested in reading this document – go ahead and download it.  The first 2-3 pages are mostly introductory material, the real content starts about 3/4 the way down page 3.</p>
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		<title>9v vs RC &#8211; which to buy?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Walsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any questions or feedback recieved through the ILTCO web site ends up in my mailbox.  When I receive them I either answer them if I can or forward them on the appropriate person.  Yesterday I found the following question in my Inbox:

Dear Sirs,
Which Lego sets are better to buy for a Lego loving [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any questions or feedback recieved through the <a href="http://www.iltco.org">ILTCO</a> web site ends up in my mailbox.  When I receive them I either answer them if I can or forward them on the appropriate person.  Yesterday I found the following question in my Inbox:</p>
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Dear Sirs,</p>
<p>Which Lego sets are better to buy for a Lego loving kid who currently has no Lego train set.</p>
<p>RC or 9 volt?</p>
<p>The Lego.com people say to get the RC since 9 volt is going away.</p>
<p>Thank you,</p>
<p>Confused<br />
[Name Withheld]
</p></blockquote>
<p>The following is a paraphrased version of my response to this question.</p>
<p>What the LEGO.com people is sort of true, sort of not.  LEGO is indeed focusing their internal design and marketing on the new RC trains.  They have also stated that 9v trains components will be available through <a href="http://www.legofactory.com">LEGO Factory</a>.  How long the 9v trains components continue to be available is unknown.  There will be a new 9v train set available in the spring but it will be sold via the LEGO Factory as opposed to a traditional set.  I would expect the LEGO Train items you will find in the catalog to be mostly RC train sets as the existing 9v sets come to the end of their production life.  The 10173 Holiday Train which LEGO has just released is a 9v train although it doesn&#8217;t come with a motor, track, or speed regulartor.  It can be purchased along with a motor and rail kit for about $175.</p>
<p>There is some information in this <a href="http://news.lugnet.com/events/brickfest/?n=3612&#038;t=f&#038;v=a">LUGNET thread</a> regarding the future of 9v trains from BrickFest this past August.</p>
<p>This question is hard for me to answer as I personally am a fan of the 9v system but I am also highly invested in it.  I have 4 children myself all of whom play with LEGO quite a bit.  We have also had our share of battery operated toys.  There are pros and cons to the 9v and RC systems but for me, the biggest question is around power.  The 9v electric system requires a child to plug the unit in the wall.  I would have no problem allowing my 11, 9, or 7 year old to do that but every parent is different as are children.  One 9 year old is not the same as another.</p>
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<li>Do you expect your child to build a train collection?  If so, the 9v may be a better choice as pulling a long train is reportedly difficult with the RC motor.</li>
<li>Do you expect your child to have a layout set up for an extended period of time?  If not, the ease of snapping together the RC track and getting a train running may appeal to you.</li>
<li>Do you want to run more than one train at a time?  This is easy to do with RC (assuming you have 2 RC trains), harder with 9v.</li>
<li>Battery powered toys require batteries.  Do you expect to run the train for long periods of time?  If not, the RC train is probably just fine.  If you want it to run for hours around the Christmas tree during the holiday season, replacing the batteries (even rechargables) every few hours will get old quickly.  On the flip side, the RC train definitely provides the child (or adult) much more feeling of control.  The LEGO 9v speed controller is pretty simple &#8211; you plug it in and you have a speed dial.  The direction it points and how far dictates how fast the train moves and in what direction.</li>
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<p>There is a <a href="http://www.iltco.org/library/articleShow.php?articleid=51">Review</a> of one of the RC trains on the <a href="http://www.iltco.org">ILTCO web site</a>.  <a href="http://news.lugnet.com/trains">LUGNET </a>is also a good place to solicit an opinion on this subject.</p>
<p>I hope this information is helpful.</p>
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		<title>ILTCO Site Status</title>
		<link>http://www.carolinatrainbuilders.com/index.php/2006/10/iltco-site-status/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Walsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am still working on the re-write of the ILTCO site.  I had hoped to get it done before BrickFest and was making a ton of progress but simply ran out of time.  Since BrickFest I haven&#8217;t worked on it much as I had neglected some other duties while I was working on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still working on the re-write of the ILTCO site.  I had hoped to get it done before BrickFest and was making a ton of progress but simply ran out of time.  Since BrickFest I haven&#8217;t worked on it much as I had neglected some other duties while I was working on it.  The fact that I haven&#8217;t been traveling much lately has also contributed to the lack of progress &#8211; I usually get a lot of work done on the plane.<br />
Right now most of functionality is working on the new site.  I need to get it uploaded to <a href="http://beta.iltco.org ">http://beta.iltco.org</a> but it requires me to make some changes to the database tables which I have been hesitant to do.  I need to get it done though so I just need to bite the bullet.</p>
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		<title>Scrambling for 4886 Building Bonanza</title>
		<link>http://www.carolinatrainbuilders.com/index.php/2005/12/scrambling-for-4886-building-bonanza/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Walsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I got an e-mail from my Dad the other day asking if I knew where he could find a 4886 Building Bonanza set for him.  He has a LEGO Train running around his Christmas tree and wanted to add to it.  Shop at Home was sold out.  Since my parents live fairly [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got an e-mail from my Dad the other day asking if I knew where he could find a <a href="http://guide.lugnet.com/set/4886">4886 Building Bonanza</a> set for him.  He has a LEGO Train running around his Christmas tree and wanted to add to it.  Shop at Home was sold out.  Since my parents live fairly close to Tyson&#8217;s Corner, I first called there &#8211; no luck!  After calling a couple more of the LEGO stores I quickly learned that Building Bonanza was a pretty popular item this year &#8211; it was sold out everywhere. </p>
<p>I then put out an e-mail to some of my ILTCO co-horts and Steve Barile was able to put his hands on one for me and get it shipped to Virginia before Christmas!  Thanks Steve!  My Dad will be thrilled.</p>
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		<title>More ILTCO Progress!</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Walsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I finally had a chance to do some work on the ILTCO web site again.  The old process for assigning permissions to users was really cumbersome.   I have re-written it from scratch and it works much better plus it retains the existing permissions so it is possible to see what the user [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally had a chance to do some work on the ILTCO web site again.  The old process for assigning permissions to users was really cumbersome.   I have re-written it from scratch and it works much better plus it retains the existing permissions so it is possible to see what the user already has before adding or removing permissions.  A number of other minor fixes were also taken care of as I touched code.  I also incorportated phpHtmlLib 2.5.4 and pushed everything out to the <a href="http://dev.iltco.org">ILTCO development site</a>.</p>
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