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		<title>New Trains for 2010 but limitations persist</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Walsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[New Trains!
When I first saw some links to the 2010 trains I was excited.Â  These would be the first trains to be based on the Power Functions and in my opinion, the first train sets to come from LEGO since the decision to drop the 9v line.Â  One could argue that there were two RC [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>New Trains!</h3>
<p>When I first saw some links to the 2010 trains I was excited.Â  These would be the first trains to be based on the Power Functions and in my opinion, the first train sets to come from LEGO since the decision to drop the 9v line.Â  One could argue that there were two RC sets and the Factory exclusive the Emerald Night but in my opinion, the 2010 sets are really the first sets in the Power Function era.</p>
<p>I had my hopes up as I clicked on the links and began the browse the images.Â  Would there finally be some new add on rolling stock (aka individual train cars)?Â  Sadly there were not.Â  I was disappointed.Â  Based on <a href="http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=36203&amp;st=15">this Eurobricks thread</a>, it appears the belief that individual train cars will not sell is still strong within LEGO.Â  I still find this puzzling â€“ but more on this later.</p>
<h3>An e-mail from my Dad</h3>
<p>A week or two later I got an e-mail from my Dad.Â  He has a number of LEGO trains and sets one up around his Christmas tree every year.Â  He was thinking of buying an Emerald Night but was holding off because he wanted more than one passenger car for it.Â  He asked me why LEGO didnâ€™t sell the passenger car separately.Â  I shared with him some of the things I have learned over the years and he was surprised there isnâ€™t a market for add on cars.Â  I donâ€™t know ifÂ  he ended up buying the Emerald Night or not, the last we spoke about it he was on the fence.</p>
<p>It was when my Dad sent me an e-mail about add on cars that I started thinking.Â  The limitations with the new train system are basically the same as those which led to the demise of the 9v system.Â  Why will the results (aka sales) be any different this time?Â  Granted the new trains are a bit cheaper to produce because the track elements donâ€™t have metal rails, but other than that, there really isnâ€™t much difference.</p>
<h3>Signal</h3>
<p>Before the Hobby Train there was Signal.Â  Signal was the name of the group that I was invited to participate in and provide feedback to LEGO regarding the Train theme.Â  In 2004 I was very active in the Train Community and was heavily involved in the <a href="http://www.iltco.org">ILTCO</a> effort with Steve Barile.Â  Steve, Huw Millington, Holger Mathes, and myself were invited to participate in Signal.Â  We all readily accepted â€“ it was very exciting to have a voice into LEGO and possibly influence where the train line was headed.</p>
<p>In hindsight I think were invited too late as some of the things we were being asked to comment on had already been decided (e.g. battery power).Â  The Signal team did have some influence though as it was from this team that the Hobby Train project emerged (originally it was called the UTB set where UTB stood for Ultimate Train Builders).</p>
<p>It was shortly after a conference call with the Train design team that I found myself flying back from Europe (where I had been for work) with aÂ  homework assignment for Signal.Â  I canâ€™t remember exactly what the assignment was but I do recall that I was annoyed and felt that LEGO wasnâ€™t really listening to the feedback we were providing.Â  I am not sure if it was language (we held all our discussions in English) or their minds were made up or they were simply giving us lip service because they were told told to interface with the feedback group, but I decided to put all of my thoughts on paper instead of in e-mail or over the phone.</p>
<p>Over the course of that 8 hour flight home, what started out as a memo, turned into a white paper on my thoughts on just about aspect of LEGO trains.Â  I didnâ€™t intend to write a document 10 pages long but that is what I ended up with.Â  Once I was back home, I distributed the document to the people in the Signal group and never really heard much about it again.</p>
<p>At some when I was working on the Hobby Train I asked the LEGO team leader if heâ€™d ever seen the paper.Â  It turns out he hadnâ€™t so I sent it to him as well but again, nothing ever came of it â€“ there certainly wasnâ€™t ever any follow up with me anyway.</p>
<p>The only formalÂ response I ever got back from LEGO on my paper was a request not to post it on the web.Â  <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Although I was not bound by an NDA (I was later on when working on the Hobby Train),</span> <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">(<em>Edit:Â  2010-01-22:Â  I may have my dates wrongÂ as I have found another document that pre-dates my white paper.</em>)</span>Â  <em>(Edit:Â  2010-01-22:Â  Looks like I am ok, the NDA had a five year duration which ended at the end of last October.)</em>Â  I honored LEGOâ€™s request and have sat on this document for more than five years.</p>
<h3>Time to post the white paper?</h3>
<p>The subject of the white paper has come up a couple times, usually when discussing the Hobby Train project at <a href="http://www.nclug.us">NCLUG</a> meetings.Â  But it was the combination of reading the Eurobricks thread and the e-mail from my Dad that really got me thinking about it again.</p>
<p>I dug through my computer and found the document and read it again.Â  Although some of the content is dated, there are a number of ideas which I believe are as accurate today as they were five years ago when I originally wrote it.Â  In particular, my thoughts on how LEGO trains are packaged and marketed has not changed.Â  If you can find a train on the shelf of a store (the Toys-R-Us near me had them this past Christmas) there is no obvious expansion of the train system articulated anywhere on the box.Â  I think is a huge mistake.Â  For the uneducated consumer, LEGO is asking for people to spend $150 (or more) to a LEGO set for which there is no obvious expansion.</p>
<p>Iâ€™ve long wanted to post the document I wrote but as I noted, I have complied with LEGOâ€™s request not to do so.Â  A few weeks ago I sent Steve Witt (LEGOâ€™s Community Manager) an e-mail letting him know that I wanted to post the document and if LEGO still did not want me to, to please contact me and let me know.Â  Since I havenâ€™t heard anything from anyone at LEGO I have decided to go ahead and post the document.</p>
<p>So if you have made it this far and are interested in reading this document â€“ go ahead and download it.Â  The first 2-3 pages are mostly introductory material, the real content starts about 3/4 the way down page 3.</p>
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		<title>Cool background on the Emerald Night</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Walsh</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Caught My Eye]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not sure how I missed then when it was posted, but I just saw the link today on EurobricksÂ  (which admittedly I don&#8217;t visit very often).

There is some pretty cool footage in the video and some insight into the LEGO Vault.  There is also an brief view of the LEGO Hobby Train [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure how I missed then when it was posted, but I just saw the link today on <a href="http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=34800&#038;st=525">Eurobricks</a>Â  (which admittedly I don&#8217;t visit very often).</p>
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<p>There is some pretty cool footage in the video and some insight into the LEGO Vault.  There is also an brief view of the LEGO Hobby Train which I worked on.   The model shown was designed by Holger Mathes.</p>
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		<title>2010 LEGO Train Sets</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Walsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw a link to this image on the WamaLUG mailing list.
 
You can read a bit more about 2010 LEGO Trains in this article on BrickSet.&#160; A couple of initial thoughts:

It is nice to see LEGO Trains coming back and as expected, they are Power Function based.
I really wish LEGO would release individual train [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a link to this image on the WamaLUG mailing list.</p>
<p align="center"><a title="2010 LEGOTrains" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerjanlennips/4208158199/in/set-72157622932020553/"><img style="border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; display: inline; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px" title="2010_LEGO_Train" border="0" alt="2010_LEGO_Train" src="http://www.carolinatrainbuilders.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/2010_LEGO_Train.jpg" width="368" height="504" /></a> </p>
<p>You can read a bit more about 2010 LEGO Trains in <a href="http://brickset.com/news/article/?ID=501">this article on BrickSet</a>.&#160; A couple of initial thoughts:</p>
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<li>It is nice to see LEGO Trains coming back and as expected, they are Power Function based.</li>
<li>I really wish LEGO would release individual train cars.&#160; The lack of expandability is, IMNSO, the single biggest reason why LEGO trains donâ€™t succeed in the market.</li>
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<p>They are interesting but I donâ€™t see myself buying any of them unless they are really good deal.&#160; I recently sold four trains that I still has NISB to help me buy a camera lens I wanted.&#160; So for me this is both good news and bad news.&#160; Good news that Trains continue on, bad news that they still donâ€™t believe that there is a market for individual cars.&#160; One of these days I need to dig up the White Paper on marketing LEGO Trains that I wrote when I worked on the Hobby Train project and post it.&#160; When I originally wrote it (about five years ago) I was asked not to post it on the web but that was so long ago, it probably doesnâ€™t matter any more.&#160; I went back and read it about six months ago and I think it is as accurate today as when I first wrote it on a flight back from Munich.</p>
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		<title>NCLTC at LEGOPalooza</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Walsh</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Events]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been working on the layout plan for the NCLTC layout at LEGOPalooza lately.&#160; This is an interesting layout because we are going to use standard banquet tables instead of our own tables.&#160; It is nice because hauling the tables around and setting them up is a real chore.&#160; However, they aren&#8217;t an ideal [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been working on the <a href="http://www.ncltc.us/?page_id=32">layout plan for the NCLTC layout at LEGOPalooza</a> lately.&nbsp; This is an interesting layout because we are going to use standard banquet tables instead of our own tables.&nbsp; It is nice because hauling the tables around and setting them up is a real chore.&nbsp; However, they aren&#8217;t an ideal size so they pose some layout challenges.</p>
<p>This is the first layout <a href="http://www.ncltc.us">NCLTC</a> has done in a long time and it looks like it should be a good one.&nbsp; I am reusing a bunch of stuff (as usual) but plan to build a couple new things too.&nbsp; I need to use all of those dark red and dark blue bricks I got from the Hobby Train project!</p>
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		<title>Looking inside my UTB K8</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Walsh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is the box as I opened it although the baseplates were not stacked so nicely.

I pulled the baseplates out first and set them aside.  I had specifically asked for baseplates because the last time we had the NCLTC layout set up, we were really short of baseplates to cover the open areas of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blog.carolinatrainbuilders.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/dscn1451.JPG" title="UTB K8"><img width="200" src="http://blog.carolinatrainbuilders.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/dscn1451.JPG" alt="UTB K8" style="float: right; margin: 3px; border: black 1px solid" /></a>Here is the box as I opened it although the baseplates were not stacked so nicely.<br />
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<a href="http://blog.carolinatrainbuilders.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/dscn1452.JPG" title="50 Baseplates"><img width="200" src="http://blog.carolinatrainbuilders.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/dscn1452.JPG" alt="50 Baseplates" style="float: left; margin: 3px; border: black 1px solid" /></a>I pulled the baseplates out first and set them aside.  I had specifically asked for baseplates because the last time we had the <a href="http://www.ncltc.us" title="www.NCLTC.us">NCLTC</a> layout set up, we were really short of baseplates to cover the open areas of the layout.  It looks so much nicer when everything is covered!<br />
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<a href="http://blog.carolinatrainbuilders.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/dscn1453.JPG" title="Half a K8 of unsorted parts!"><img width="200" src="http://blog.carolinatrainbuilders.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/dscn1453.JPG" alt="Half a K8 of unsorted parts!" style="float: right; margin: 3px; border: black 1px solid" /></a>Now you can see what is left to sort.  I have no idea why they couldn&#8217;t put each element into a separate bag but they didn&#8217;t.  I guess this is a good problem to have but it is still a daunting sorting effort.<br />
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<a href="http://blog.carolinatrainbuilders.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/dscn1454.JPG" title="Starting the sorting process"><img width="200" src="http://blog.carolinatrainbuilders.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/dscn1454.JPG" alt="Starting the sorting process" style="float: left; margin: 3px; border: black 1px solid" /></a>This is as much as I got done yesterday.  While I was on a conference call I sat there and picked all of the bright green large plant leaves out of box.  I had requested both large and small plant leaves and they were sent in two different colors!  The smaller leaves are the traditional darker green, the larger ones are the bright green.<br />
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